Insurance crisis and solutions

Homeowners insurance premiums remain high and policies continue to be dropped in a crisis that has defied government regulation. Gov. Charlie Crist and members of Florida's Cabinet agree on one thing: They're all frustrated about it. If the new laws created to lower rates aren't working and government officials don't seem to have the magic answer, maybe you do. What do you think can be done about the insurance crisis?

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Seize the Insurance Industry Without Compensation

1.  Seize -- expropriate -- the big private insurance companies without compensation.

2.  We need a workers' party, not the Democratic and Republican parties, and we need a workers' party that fights for a workers' government, a government comprised of elected councils of working people from every workplace which would seize -- expropriate -- all major industry, banking, corporations, factories, mines, mills, insurance companies, financial institutions, without compensation, and institute a centrally, rationally planned and democratically administered socialist economy, supervised and superintended and controlled by elected workers' councils, with complete workers' control of industry, and accountability of all industries in a workers' socialist society to the working people!

3.  For free health care for all, not health care for private profit!  For a series of socialist 5-year plans to build or re-build massive free public transit available and free to all!  End the private car insurance barrier to building mass transit for all!  For a massive 5-year plan to re-modernize the outdated and decaying highways and bridges!  Bring back and re-modernize the railroads!  For all building and modernization plans to be implemented under workers' control, with full unionization of all workers involved, with elected workers' safety committees with the immediate right to strike against any and all unsafe working conditions on a moment's notice!  All workers and employees temporarily laid off due to unsafe working conditions to receive full wages till all unsafe conditions are repaired and made safe again!

4.  Expropriate the banks and cancel all mortgage debts to small homeowners, working class homeowners, poor homeowners, lower middle class homeowners, so they can live in their homes without fear of being kicked out!  Slash all rents to working class tenants, lower middle class tenants, poor tenants, implement, or where it was wiped out, restore, and expand, rent controls!  Expropriate the real estate industry and biggest real estate robber barons without compensation!  Seize -- expropriate -- all big unused office buildings, all big unused housing, all big unused multi-rooms of the mansions of the mega-rich, all unused space, and give it to the homeless immediately as an emergency measure to insure the homeless have a place to live!  For a 5-year socialist building plan to build housing in the meanwhile!

5.  For a $75 dollar minimum wage!  For a shorter work week at no loss in pay -- 30 hours work at 40 hours pay!  Spread excess work created by this measure to the unemployed, with union-controlled training and upgrading programs, and union-controlled affirmative action training and upgrading programs for minorities and women!  For reimplementation of the old labor union principle of seniority -- as that pilot, Sully Sullenberger, who saved 155 passengers and crew with a safe landing in the Hudson River showed, experience counts in workers and employees!  Just a week later, a terrible airplane crash in upstate New York of inexperienced pilots showed that inexperience counts the wrong way, too!  For a sliding scale of wages and hours!  Payscales to rise with inflation!  The dollar today is worth 21 cents in 1971 terms; restore wage scales and salaries of all workers and employees today so they can buy the same amount they would have bought in 1971, for starters!  No more stinting on pay, working conditions, safety conditions!  Smash low payscales, rotten working conditions, rotten and unsafe conditions!  That peanut plant in Georgia that killed customers from salmonella in peanut butter shows what happens in plants owned and operated by criminal, profit-greedy capitalists who care only for the bottom line!  We need to expropriate all industries without compensation, put them under democratic control of elected, and armed, workers' councils, kick out the rotten corrupt capitalist owners and management, and where such owners and/or management have acted in a downright criminal fashion, as in that peanut plant, lock them up and throw away the key!  No more letting airplanes be flying firetraps, no more letting coal mines be death traps to coal miners!  We need workers' control of industry, and a workers', and socialist, America, and a workers' government, a dictatorship of the racially integrated working class in America and an international federation of workers' governments!  Black, brown, yellow, red, and white:  workers of the world, unite!

6.  We need international labor solidarity!  When labor strikes in a country other than ours, labor in ours must aid labor in the country where labor's on strike!  Where labor strikes here, we must call on labor in other countries to aid us!  Labor picket lines mean don't cross!  For elected labor strike committees!  For daily strike newspapers informing striking workers and employees of the progress of labor strikes!  For labor flying squads moving from plant to plant, worksite to worksite, shop to shop, store to store, factory to factory, office to office, persuading all labor, all workers, all employees to join the strike and come out on strike!  Generalize all local strikes into broader labor strike actions!  For elected assemblies of labor strikers to make daily labor strike decisions democratically!  For racially integrated, armed, levelheaded, responsible, down-to-earth, workers defense guards drawn from responsible and levelheaded workers to defend picket lines, defend the principle that picket lines mean "don't cross," stop scabs and strikebreakers and scabherding by the cops!  No cops, no security guards, no prison guards in the organized labor movement -- they are a dagger pointed at the heart of the labor movement, and they are the state, the hired agents of the bosses!  For mass workers' action to smash fascists, the deadliest enemies of the labor movement and the working class!  For racially integrated mass mobilizations of all kinds of labor, black, brown, yellow, red, white, male, female, "gay," straight, to smash every kind of fascist -- KKK, neo-nazi, extremist right-wing religious fundamentalist terrorist bigot, and others -- as an elementary act of self-defense of labor from its deadliest totalitarian enemies!  Labor, defend the democratic rights of every section of the working class, particularly the sections of the working class historically victimized by the fascist enemies of labor, such as black workers, female workers, gay workers, immigrant workers, ethnic and religious minority workers (Muslim workers, Jewish workers, Arab workers, Puerto Rican workers, Haitian workers, Mexican-American workers, other kinds of religious minority workers and ethnic minority workers)!  Fight on the principle, "An injury to one is an injury to all!"  For the tactic of mass workers' factory occupations, for mass employees' office occupations, for mass workers' occupations of whatever worksite, to fight layoffs, fight wage-slashing!  No reliance on the bosses' rules!  No reliance on the cops, the courts, the legislatures, the capitalist politicians of the Democratic and Republican Parties, the government, local, state, or federal!  Labor must rely only on our own collective strength if we're gonna win victories!  Labor's gotta play hardball to win labor victories!

--Allan

Not only homeowners

not

auto insurance

Do you always need to buy auto insurance after purchasing a vehicle?

 

dental plans  

Homeowners Insurance-thoughts

Here's some thoughts on mitigating the cost ofhomeowners insurance.

1) Get the state out of the insurance business. Politics tends to have an influence contrary to responsible decisionmaking. Citizen's is a state-run business. Remember the Soviet Union fell because decisions were made in response to political, not economic reasons. They simply went bankrupt. (Please don't go off on a tangent on this.) Point is, people will "vote" for lower premiums and support irresponsible behaviour (e.g. developers lobbying for Citizen's coverage of beachfront condos) even when the ramification of that vote includes insolvency for the state. Untenable position.

2) The demise of private insurance: Citizens getting into other lines (auto) only exacerbates the issue. Private insurance offsets losses in one area with profits in other areas. They cannot compete with the unlimited reserves of government and they know this. Private insurance will continue to flee the state. Untenable position.

2) Cherry Picking: Insurance is based on the concept of shared risk. You cannot predict exactly who in 100,000 people will keel over of a heart attack this day, but from an actuarial point of view, you know "x" people will. Therefore life insurance is priced to cover the liability of the payouts, while retaining enough for reserves and profits. The major mistake FLA is making is allowing insurors cherry pick what risk they will assume. They write auto, but not sinkhole for example. Their balance sheets show this is a very effective strategy and the consumer pays more for less.

4) United we stand: Every hurricane affected state should band together in a bloc and agree if an insuror does not write sinkhole/hurricane/tornado insurance in one state, they do not write ANY line in the entire bloc. This includes high profit fire, auto, health, life, etc. With so much potential profit loss, they would not be able to ignore this.

5) Stop subsidizing irresponsible behaviour. Those who build in vulnerable areas where the risk is well kown should either self insure or seek insurance from the unregulated market. Loyds of London is a well known example. If you can afford to buy a condo on the beach, you certainly should be able to afford your own insurance. Neither the state, nor regulated insurors should be required to subsidize bad bahaviour.

6) Agree on a common hurricane risk model, fair to insurors, based only on science and reviewed on a regular basis.

7) Allow the bloc to limit profits, should abuse such as cherry picking or overcharging occur.

8) While I am opposed to a state run (or national) catastrophy fund, it should be treated as a profit making endeavour. It should be run similar to an options or reinsurance market. I would think having it be a regional fund would be optimal, as it could hep limit undue influence in any direction due to the large pool of competing interests. I still maintain private capital is the preferred solution.

Privatization of Profit, Socialization of Risk

The FUNDAMENTAL problem is that the Governor (Bush) and the Florida legislature - campaigns financed by insurance companies - have permitted insurance companies to "Private-ize" profit and "Socialize" the risk associated with their businesses.   

Privatization of Profit, Socialization of Risk

The FUNDAMENTAL problem is that the Governor (Bush) and the Florida legislature - campaigns financed by insurance companies - have permitted insurance companies to "Private-ize" profit and "Socialize" the risk associated with their businesses. And, Governor Charlie is not going to do ANYTHING but talk... LOLAnd legislators do not care what we think... - Thinking seriously about moving?  Me too!  

House insurance???

Harold J Macek

     What house insurance.. I dropped mine..

Insurance crisis needs solutions

Insurance is unique in that it has the special
interest of the public good. Insurance is a requirement of getting a
mortgage or financing a car. Insurance has other unique qualities that
remove it from the general marketplace.

The
basic idea of insurance is to spread the risk among many. Allowing
insurance companies to do business in this state without requiring that
they sell all their lines of insurance is not in the best interest of
the public because
insurance is not like other car products like BMW spark plugs (for example) sold in the marketplace and cannot
be treated as such.

We
need a commission to study our unique Florida market. The commission
must consist of insurance experts, citizens, lawmakers and insurance
company personnel, and we needed it yesterday. There are many ways to
handle the risks our state faces, and we need to do something that will
not create unintended consequences.

Kick'em all out

I just recieved a non renewal notice from my insurance company.  Now I have until June next year to hear all the horror stories, but in the mean time I will be changing my Life insurance policies, and Auto insurance policies to other companies.    I feel that if you are going to drop home owners like a hot potato, then you don't don't need the other business from me either.  It's a shame we have to put up with crooked Corporations and Politicians. I say let Citizens write all the policies (home, Auto and life) and tell the big boys to leave.  As for our politicans, vote all of them out and start anew. 

Insurance

I’d liked to point out some points that should be tabled,  and highlighted. One of Two-----    Get the insurance Companies out of the state of Florida, once and for all…… Two of Two-----   Who's worried about the SUB prime people going broke--- because of there Mortgage Rates re adjusting, *****   We (Floridians) are GOING BROKE because of                         HIGH INSURANCE RATES…. The heck with Sub-prime mortgage rates…   

  1. If Florida is every hit with multiple storms? the path of destruction is limited, in other words it does not mean the whole state is wiped out.
  2. Since insurance is required by the state ( Florida and the Mortgage companies) especially if you have a mortgage, the State of Florida should be the ONLY ones providing insurance, Not companies that are out side of the state (I.e. insurance companies, Mortgage companies etc.) and IT SHOULD be tax deductable...
  3. All condo's built of the Beach about X hieght ) should pay a premiums for insurance, Fact they are the highest structures on the beach and will sustain the highest wind damage, and Flood damage.
  4. If structure is wiped out do to a storm the following is the Rule. Anything on the water side (within X feet of the water)  or  (Meaning Gulf or Atlantic Side) of the road will not be allowed. A buffer zone with then start to be established through nature (Hurricanes), something neither man nor government can argue with!
  5.  After X years of no Hurricanes, the people are entitled to a refund.  

  

INSURANCE REFORM

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 1. BALLOT TITLE:  A Minimum of 75% of property shall be exempt from property tax.

BALLOT SUMMARY: By general law and subject to conditions specified therein, not less than a minimum of 75 percent of the just value of property subject to property taxes shall be exempt from taxation. The taxable value of property will be 25 percent of its just value under this exemption or it will be the current taxable value which ever is less. For the purposes of this subsection, the phrase “just value” is synonymous with “market value”.

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2. BALLOT TITLE: Replace all property taxes with other revenues thereby abolishing property taxes.

BALLOT SUMMARY: Replace all property taxes with other revenues to be determined by the legislature, the responsibility of funding counties, school districts, municipalities, special districts, debts, bonds, and other entities funded by property taxation is hereby transferred to the state from the property owners; the legislature shall appropriate other revenues to replace all property tax revenues. On the effective date of this amendment, all property taxation shall thereby be abolished.

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3. BALLOT TITLE: Limit all Governmental Entity budgets within Florida.

BALLOT SUMMARY: Budgets for any Governmental Entity within Florida, for any fiscal year, shall be limited to its budget for fiscal year 2004-2005, or its first fiscal year, plus the percent change in the population determined by the legislature, plus the percent change in the Consumer Price Index for all urban consumers, U.S. City Average, as reported by the United States Department of Labor. Budget limitation overrides are subject to voter approval.

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4. BALLOT TITLE: No new taxes without voter approval. Limit all Governmental Entity revenues collected within Florida.

BALLOT SUMMARY: All revenues collected for any Governmental Entity within Florida, for any fiscal year, shall be limited to revenues collected for fiscal year 2004-2005, or its first fiscal year, plus the percent change in the population, plus the percent change in the Consumer Price Index, thereby may limit millage rates or taxes, listed in ARTICLE VII, Section 9. local taxes, of the Florida Constitution.  New taxes, fees, or revenue limitation overrides, shall require voter approval.

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5. BALLOT TITLE: No governmental entity shall hire paid lobbyists with public funds to influence another.   

BALLOT SUMMARY: No governmental entity shall hire paid lobbyists with public funds to influence another governmental entity directly or indirectly thru associations that receive public funds or with paid advertisements for said purposes. Public funds are prohibited from this use and shall be withheld from associations that act directly or indirectly to violate this subsection. For purposes of this subsection, lobbyist is defined as paid consultants or their firms who lobby political representatives on a particular issue.

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6. BALLOT TITLE: The maximum combined insurance cost on real estate and the contents within shall be limited.

BALLOT SUMMARY: By general law and subject to conditions specified therein, the maximum combined insurance cost on real estate and the contents within, including all charges and all perils, excluding flood, shall be limited to eight tenths of one percent of the insured value of property as stated on the policy, and shall apply to all insurance companies operating within Florida’s jurisdiction including Citizens Property Insurance. The legislature will implement any and all provisions in this section.

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 7. BALLOT TITLE: Laws mandating minimum prices for motor fuels such as gasoline or diesel shall be abolished.

BALLOT SUMMARY: Laws mandating minimum prices for motor fuels such as gasoline or diesel shall be abolished.  Consumers may purchase motor fuels such as gasoline or diesel below cost.  Retailers and refiners shall not be fined and or penalized for having set prices below cost.  On the effective date of this amendment, all or any laws establishing minimum prices on motor fuels such as gasoline or diesel shall thereby be abolished and prohibited herein.

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Wind Insurance Crisis

Many of our government officials have looked to Washington to solve the wind insurance problem facing everyone in Florida. The reaction from Washington is “That’s Florida’s problem.” It is the Gulf States problem,

The State (Citizens) should write all wind insurance in the state. We can add one percent to our sales tax for hurricane, or wind insurance. We can then immediately lower all wind coverage 50% and cover every structure in the State.

Once the reserves reach a comfortable mega billion dollars, the one percent sales tax will be suspended and wind storm rates can be further reduced. It is vital that law makers in the future cannot use the funds for other purposes

The legislation establishing this program should also include very tough building codes and code enforcement. Any new or rebuilt structure must be at the strictest of building codes. Any new mobile home brought or sold in the state must meet very strict standards. Any window or door sold in the state must meet very strict standards. No need to force property owners to make thousands of dollars of improvements now. After time, all the structures in Florida will end up, pretty much, hurricane proof.

All the homeowners’ insurance companies will flock to Florida to sell insurance on all the other perils associates with home ownership. Writing the same policies they write in Indiana and similar locations and at the same low premiums. Flooding from storm surge will be included in the State coverage. Flooding from a broken water pipe is the homeowners’ insurance problem.

Let’s not look to the politicians in Washington. Do it ourselves and do it better.

Steve Goot, indian rocks beach

Good Idea But....

Only if you can get the politicians to keep their hands off the money. A politician can smell a dollar buried under a mile of concrete. A program that generates money is considered their cash cow and they will try everything they can to milk it. Next thing you know the account is full of I.O.U.'s. They will feel entitled to it as "hey we set this up it's our's" so get lost I need to build a bridge with my name on it.

Good idea.....but!

Yessssssss Boo Boo! You keep emphazing the right point. Our state lottery was created to help education yet or educational woes increase. This money placed in the hands of politicians! The Penny for Pinellas, placed in the hands of politicians gives other politicans a windfall. No, no more penny tax increases if it will be controlled by government or any part there of. What we need is a citizen's board of trustees appointed by the citizens and controlled by the citizen's. Hell! At the rate politicians are screwing us, why do we actually need them in the first place?

Insurance Crisis Riles Crist

The persistent vexations in the homeowners’ insurance market are caused by: (1) the losses experienced in the 2004-2005 hurricane seasons aggravated by large scale development of the barrier islands, the coastal plains, and other vulnerable areas; (2) the free enterprise system based on risk/benefit factors; and (3) the profit incentive which motivates the carriers to purchase their re-insurance coverage from parent or affiliated companies rather than the Florida Catastrophic Fund.

Although the legislature is powerless to prevent hurricanes, it can enact legislation to control areas of coastal development which, however, is compromised somewhat by political correctness, reductions in the ad valorem tax base, and the prospect of inverse condemnation lawsuits which would ensue from such action. It is important to remember that insurance companies are not charitable or eleemosynary institutions- they are business entities entitled to make a profit after payment of the losses underwritten by their policies. Whether the legislature can compel carriers to purchase their re-insurance coverage from a state fund depends on constitutional considerations.

At some point in time, the legislature will have to tackle the question of whether the public welfare and economy of Florida requires the state to underwrite windstorm losses over and above the coverages that can be feasibly provided by the private carriers albeit such action would create a layer of socialized insurance underwritten by the taxpayers. This is a philosophical question which, along with the ongoing property tax challenge, may require a comprehensive revampment of the entire tax structure of this state rather than attempting to do so on a piecemeal basis.

On the other hand, the legislation now traversing through Congress, which proposes to consolidate windstorm with flood insurance coverage through the federal program, will need to be considered in order for the Governor and Cabinet to formulate any new plan to present to the state legislature. It would be helpful to know whether any actuarial models have been created and studied from the standpoint of how this might influence homeowners’ coverages and premiums here in Florida.

Jack B. McPherson, New Port Richey

Crist is dealing with this personally

My friend emailed me to let me know that Citizens had cancelled her policy becuase she had paid too much premium! No, I don't understand either.

They then offered her a new policy for a $1000 more than the old. She complained by email to Charlie Crist's office. They then contacted Citizens who reinstated her policy at the old premium.

You can read the details at http://www.FloridaHomeownersInsuranceInfo.com

Attached is a must-read on Florida's property insurance debacle

Bankrupting Florida

A disastrous hurricane could trigger a disastrous insurance debacle.


by Eli Lehrer

08/20/2007, Volume 012, Issue 46



If a catastrophic Katrina-like hurricane sweeps through the state of

Florida, it may leave behind more than wrecked houses, damaged shops,

and ruined roads: There's a real chance that Governor Charlie Crist's

recent insurance reforms could bankrupt the state.


"Our insurance situation is like one of those kitchen timers you wind

up," says J. Robert McClure, president of Florida's James Madison

Institute. "In a while, it's going to ring, and Florida will be in quite

a mess." The state has basically offered lower property insurance rates

to residents, by assuming enormous financial risks itself. If a truly

major storm happens, the legislature has authorized the sale of nearly

$30 billion in bonds to cover its exposure. Any way you slice it, that's

almost three times as large as the $11 billion California issue that

stands as history's largest municipal debt sale. That's where the risk

of bankruptcy comes in: If it can't raise enough money through the sale

of bonds to pay for hurricane damages, the state won't be able to pay

the claims it's on the hook for. "Will the state be able to sell the

bonds?" asks Florida State University economist Randall Holcombe. "I

wouldn't say 'no,' but I wouldn't say 'yes' either. I just don't know."


Even the state Board of Administration, which oversees the Florida

Hurricane Catastrophe Fund (the Cat Fund) that would issue most of the

bonds, wouldn't promise that it can find buyers. In answers to written

questions--which spokesman Mike McCauley wouldn't attribute to any

particular individual--the board dismisses the question as "speculative"

and offers a dodge: "There's no way to account for all contingencies and

twists the economy might take that could impact large debt financing.

What is more important is for insurers to study [the Cat Fund] and

develop their own confidence based on the information that we provide

for them." The board's response also notes that it has over $5 billion

in current liquidity, the great bulk of which is from bonds already

issued.


Even proponents of the legislation agree that it's a scary situation.

Representative Ron Reagan, an insurance agent who reluctantly supported

the plan, admits it's unstable. "Everything we did is great so long as

the wind doesn't blow," he says. "There's no doubt about it, the state

has taken on an enormous financial risk," says state representative

Julio Robaina, who also voted for the reforms and counts himself as one

of their most ardent proponents. But, he adds: "We had to do it. There

is no end to the insurance companies' greed."


Indeed, tremendous pressure for change existed because insurance rates

more than doubled for many coastal homeowners in the wake of Hurricane

Katrina, and a good investment climate coupled with higher premiums gave

insurers record profits. Populist outrage erupted. During his campaign,

Crist called for insurance reforms and convened a special legislative

session to pass them right after taking office in January.


Thanks to strong-arm tactics--the only two legislators to vote against

the proposal found themselves removed from key chairmanships--the

outcome was never really in doubt. The governor is a Republican, and

Republicans control both houses of the legislature by almost two-to-one.

Crist's plan passed overwhelmingly. Although the legislation contained

dozens of new provisions and regulations, its crux lies in two related

market interventions. One lets the quasi-governmental Florida Citizens

Property Insurance Corporation compete with private insurers for most

business, and the other vastly expands the Catastrophe Fund's sale of

subsidized backup reinsurance coverage for Florida insurers, who are

required to obtain reinsurance from the Cat Fund. (Reinsurers insure

insurance companies.)


In theory, the plan's first element provides affordable insurance from

the state when the private market can't. The second, mandatory,

subsidized, reinsurance through the Cat Fund in theory reduces costs for

private insurers--and was supposed to prompt them to cut their rates.

Yet many private insurers have gone ahead and bought private

reinsurance, too. Cecil Pearce, the American Insurance Association's

Southeast Regional Vice President, explains why: "With the expansion of

the Cat Fund in the 2007 special session . . . it's now going to cover

up to $28 billion. And that's a scary number." Insurers, in short, don't

have confidence that the Cat Fund will be able to sell enough bonds

after a major storm to cover their claims.


While some insurers have cut rates in the wake of the reform, others

have proposed raising them or offered premium cuts much smaller than the

24 percent state actuaries predicted in January. Amidst accusations that

the insurance industry has been "greedy, unfair, and has mistreated our

fellow Floridians," insurance commissioner Kevin McCarty (who declined

interview requests for this article) has made it clear that he will not

approve the proposed rate increases.


Whatever problems the insurance companies may have with state

regulators, the state of Florida faces an even worse situation. To pay

back bonds issued by the Cat Fund and Citizens, Florida would place

mandatory "special assessment" taxes on nearly all property and casualty

insurance policies in the state including those owned by people totally

uninvolved with Citizens or the Cat Fund. But even this could prove

unworkable, because paying off nearly $30 billion in bonds with auto and

homeowner premium taxes would almost certainly require an ongoing

assessment larger than the state's $1,200 average auto insurance

premium.


Many Floridians simply couldn't pay premiums that high and would likely

find ways to evade it or stop driving. Even tapping general fund

revenues to reassure bond buyers might not do the trick, because Florida

faces constitutional limitations on property taxes and the imposition of

an income tax.


Unstable as it sounds, the current system could survive several

mid-sized hurricanes without a serious crisis. But if a Katrina-class

storm comes, the state has little choice but to pray that it can raise

enough money selling bonds.


Making things better won't be easy. State Representative Dennis Ross,

one of only two legislators who voted against the governor's plan,

describes the fundamental problem with the system. "There's no

investment capital and no way for it to get in," he says. "It's only

debt. . . . We've cut out the private sector." In the wake of Crist's

insurance reforms, in fact, major companies including Allstate, USAA,

Nationwide, Liberty Mutual, Travelers, and The Hartford have cut back on

issuing policies in the state. State Farm has filed papers that appear

to give it room for a wholesale pullout. And, if that happens, other

pullouts are sure to follow.


Cutting back the Cat Fund, as both Crist and State Chief Financial

Officer Alex Sink have suggested, probably won't extricate Florida from

its current mess either. With Citizens still writing new policies, in

fact, an immediate Cat Fund rollback might actually increase the state's

direct liabilities, because several upstart Florida-only insurers will

likely fold before they issue any policies. Meanwhile, big out-of-state

carriers (although hardly enamored with the current Cat Fund) would

probably cut back operations even further. In both cases, Citizens would

then step in and write more policies at below-market rates.


This is a problem because Citizens, which Florida taxpayers have already

bailed out twice, has next-to-no chance of remaining solvent in the wake

of a big storm without the backing of the Cat Fund or an enormous bond

issue. In fact, purely private companies find the Florida market tough

sledding in the best of times: In all but four years since 1992's

Hurricane Andrew kicked off the modern wave of big storms, the private

insurance industry has lost money writing homeowners' insurance policies

in Florida.


Because it cannot spread risk and issue policies for events like Montana

car crashes and California wildfires that are unlikely to correlate with

hurricanes, Citizens has a big disadvantage relative to major private

insurers. In addition, Citizens--already banned from raising premiums

until 2009--will have a hard time convincing politicians to raise

premiums enough to keep its fiscal ship afloat. Thus, Citizens could

easily come to pose a major liability and, like the Cat Fund, would have

to rely on special assessment taxes to cover bonds that it would issue

to pay claims.


A better system seems elusive. While a variety of proposals have

appeared (Ross favors a plan that would have the state cover wind damage

and leave everything else to the private sector), it's unlikely that

Florida can find a political solution to the crisis. An immediate

wholesale undoing of all the January mischief, even if coupled with the

most market-friendly reforms imaginable, would send premiums soaring in

the short term and might force some people out of their homes. In any

case, it's almost inconceivable that the legislature would ever approve

it. Whatever happens, the state will need some effort to smooth a

gradual transition to a better, private system that avoids enormous

fiscal risks.


There's no copacetic model, but four proposals offer hope. First,

hurricane-prone South Carolina has passed its own set of coastal

insurance reforms. While far from perfect--they contain some open ended

subsidies for consumers and industry--they go well beyond Florida's

reforms in encouraging people to purchase private insurance and expand

the private market. Second, Florida congressman Tom Feeney has proposed

creating federal "disaster savings accounts" (a version of which South

Carolina has already established), that would help people self-insure

against minor emergencies. Although they would do little to deal with

major hurricanes, such accounts could help some people raise their

deductibles and thus cut their premiums. Third, bipartisan legislation

sponsored by Rep. Melissa Bean, an Illinois Democrat, and California

Republican Ed Royce in the House, and Democrat Tim Johnson and

Republican John Sununu in the Senate, would let insurance companies do

what banks have done since the Civil War and organize themselves under

federal rather than state law. At least at the margins, this would send

some companies trickling back into Florida. Finally, several insurance

industry proposals--most prominently one put forward by Travelers--offer

strictly limited new types of government-regulated insurance and

reinsurance plans that, although still subject to political

manipulation, do not pose the same fiscal risks as Florida's current

plan.


For all the problems with the current Florida situation, the basics of

it--Citizens and the Cat Fund--were in place before Crist first made his

proposal. It took years to get Florida into the mess, and it will take

years to get the state out of it. In the end, there's no easy solution.

Under any circumstances, some Floridians will have to pay higher

insurance premiums, move, or see their taxes go up. But the current

situation is deeply unstable: If it goes unattended to, a major storm

could send Florida into bankruptcy court.


Eli Lehrer is a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute.


 

Insurance crisis

There is no easy answer to this insurance crisis created by monopolistic corporate America condoned by the very politicians we elect to represent all constituients no matter what walk of life they hail from or what their financial status is. Nothing has worked thus far in hopes of lessening the insurance burden Floridians are facing.  Governor Crist may slam his fists on the table voicing his disgust with big insuance but on the other hand this crisis is taking no turn for the better. He is indeed a shrewd politician which makes him a most dangerous one as he has the majority of Floridians eating out of one hand while big insurance puts the food in the other. The only way to solve this insurance crisis and bring back some affordibility of survival to the average working people regarding home ownership is drastic measures on the part of the people themselves.

* Contact Charlie Crist and voice your disgust, not only once saying you did your part receiving no reply. Do it everyday.

* Do not buy or cancel your auto insurance from a company that has cancelled your home owner's insurance as well as the ones you have been reading about as well as those that eliminate portions of your homeowner's policy allowing you to stay with them providing you have auto insurance with them.  Shop around, there are plenty of auto insurance companies out there hungry for business.

* Demand that state run Citizens Insurance Company (created by this greed of profit hungry private insurers and their refusal to fend up to the responsibility of the business they chose) become the only home insurer of Floridians.

These may be unrealistic suggestions to many but are indeed the only answer to solving this insurance crisis. If Floridians are being forced to buy insurance from its own state because private insurers chose to select whom they will insure and can continue to cancel policies at any time keeping your money making outragious profits plus being granted rate hikes on top of it, then who needs them and why not demand that Citizens become the only insurer? If all Floridians had only one insurer, the rates would have to equal out and become affordable for all no matter where they reside. Citizens is already boasting a $1-billion surplus. The hell with State Farm, the good neighbor, Nationwide, on your side and Allstate, the good hands people.

We the people must take matters into our own hands or this insurance crisis will never be resolved. Haven't we had enough of big business dominence and politicians caring only about themselves? Citizens Insurance, it is in your hands!

Citizens Only is a big risk

Yes.....  but on the other hand, one big storm and Citizens becomes completely insolvent.  Then where do we turn?  I still like the idea of having private insurance companies in the state to spread the risk over a bigger field, but they need to be on a leash!  No more writing policies in Florida as a seperate area apart from the rest of the homeowners policies they write in the rest of the country.  It is too easy for them to say that they lose money in Florida and need to raise rates that way.  If they are forced to lump Florida in with the rest of their policies, then the true bottom line of their profit/loss is revealed.

 Cherry picking has to go!

Yes Citizen's only is a big risk

So is going through a hurrcaine season a big risk! If our homes are destroyed or severely damaged we loose as the true value of the property will not be replaced. If our home survives, then either we are cancelled or forced to pay premiums we can't afford which forces us to buy Citizens. Should we make it through a hurricaine-free season, the rates do not go down plus private insurers still fight for rate increases. So which is the bigger risk! Having your home destroyed by a storm or loosing it to foreclosure because you can't afford the mortgage plus the outragious inurance premiums (not mentioning taxes)? Meanwhile private insurers pocket billions.

Charlie Crist slambs his fists on a table in a fit of anger towards private insurers yet nothing is promising to show or produce real savings for the homeowner.

We take risks everyday just crossing the street. The creation of state run Citizens Insurance was indeed the result of private insurers "cherry picking" and financially raping the customers they decided to keep. So lets take this big risk and demand that Citizens become the only insurer for Florida's homeowners. The "big risk" will lessen as more and more homeowners turn to Citizens.

Citizens for Homeowners

I have to agree with Jack on this one Puckhead. Let the insurance companies have all the fire and liability policies  and let  Citizens insure the Homeowners against wind.  Believe it or not some Government programs actually work and can be very efficent. A few hurricane free and I mean major hurricanes and there could be large surplus in the Citizens fund. Then make it impossible for the polictians to use it for anything but "homeowners wind damage". This would be the the most daunting task as politicians can smell money buried under a mile of concrete. But it is workable as long as the people running the show are somewhat honest. If the insurance companies balk at the idea then let Citizens write the whole policy and the insurance companies can hit the road. I happen to work for a local government enterprise that actually makes money and is very efficent. The people I work with are dedicated and skilled. Citizens could be the same with the "right" people at the helm. I still am aprehensive about the pols getting their grubby little hands on the money but that can probably be worked out.

All Citizens

Good reply Boo Boo and I don't mean because you are in agreement with me in case anyone questions it. First the people have to demand that Citizens become Florida's home owner insurer. Then there must be a board of trustees appointed to oversee the revenue taken in from policy holders and I don't mean appointed by politicians. Then there must be a quarterly statement issued to the policy holders and also to the TIMES for publication showing assets, expenditures and overhead costs. You are so right Boo Boo! I don't want a penny of Citizen's revenue in the hands of our politicians. Haven't we learned our lesson from the Florida State Lottery solving our educational woes?

If you suffered losses and were insure a pubic adjuster may help

If you have suffered from a property damage loss it may be to your advantage to hire someone familiar with the claims process to help you. That someone is a public adjuster.
A public adjuster is a representative for the policyholder who interacts with the insurance company and assists the policyholder in presenting his or her claim for insurance benefits.
Even after you have filed a claim, and after you have received a settlement that is too low, an licensed insurance public adjuster may be able to help collect more money from your insurance company to cover damages sustained.
Claims for homes and business losses are often complex, and, in many cases, policyholders may find it worthwhile to delegate the task of handling them. But it's important to have the right public adjuster. Someone who is experienced with residential and commercial claims, who handled claims similar to yours, and has a reputation for honesty and integrity. Public adjusters will be your key in collecting fair compensation.
Always check to make sure they are licensed, insured, and bonded!
http://www.getclaimhelp.com
Florida Public Adjusters
Contact a Licensed Property Damage Public Insurance Adjuster!

Pandering to Monopolies!

Short but sweet...I can hear the "Tap-Dancing" all the way from Tallahassee!
This is the third state I have lived in and Florida is no different than the
others.  A philosophical question...When are they going to "get a clue"?

L.J. Burton 

Tarpon Springs

Insurance

I live in a manufactured home and my insurance has risen from $812 with $1000 deductible. to $1980.,more than double in one year. I like Charlie and voted for him, but the Fl. Legislature has not done anything for us. We feel that our home is worth more than 60K and the ins. co. will give us more coverage, but we cannot afford more.  If Charlie would like to take a look, come on over.

thank you

Cam Balkon
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That's the right idea Wise Merlin!

What you are talking about in your memo is just the kind of Solution Floridians are now taking action to be involved in! We at www.FloridianOwnedInsurance.com have an attainable goal to be Self-Insured for the future...When you get a chance check out the site and get involved...

 

Kind Regards,

Fellow Supporters 

www.FloridianOwnedInsurance.com

Excellent

Excellent, this is just excellent. Get the word out to all Floridians. It would just tickle me pink to see Floridians take positive action to give the finger to insurance companys and oligopolies like the insurance industry.

I urge everyone to check this out.

Wise Merlin

YOU CAN TELL THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY AND CITIZENS TO TAKE A HIKE

If you are angry enough and you are motivated enough, you can eliminate ALL INSURANCE COMPANIES INCLUDING CITIZENS and solve your insurance ripoff yourselves. How, you might ask?

In Pennsylvania there are two groups of people who do NOT utilize insurance companies at all. They would be the Amish and the Mennenites. They SELF INSURE.

The Amish contribute to a pool within their own community and when a family has a problem, the Amish draw from this pool of reserves to purchase materials and the community members rebuilds the lost home or barn.

The Mennenites do it a bit differently. They all contribute to a pool of reserves just as the Amish do, however, they hire business contractors within the community or outside the community to rebuild.

The key to both groups success is that THEY ARE BOTH NON-PROFIT, all legitimate losses are covered and there are no disallowed coverage. They make the rules as a group and they police themselves against fraud and deception.

How wonderful would it be to tell State Farm, Allstate, Prudential and all the others they do not need to be here, there is no profit for them here, TAKE A HIKE.

Food for thought.

Wise Merlin

Hire a licensed public adjuster to handle Property Damage claim!

If you have suffered from a property damage loss it may be to your advantage to hire someone familiar with the claims process to help you. That someone is a public adjuster. A public adjuster is a representative for the policyholder who interacts with the insurance company and assists the policyholder in presenting his or her claim for insurance benefits. Even after you have filed a claim, and after you have received a settlement that is too low, an licensed insurance public adjuster may be able to help collect more money from your insurance company to cover damages sustained. Claims for homes and business losses are often complex, and, in many cases, policyholders may find it worthwhile to delegate the task of handling them. But it's important to have the right public adjuster. Someone who is experienced with residential and commercial claims, who handled claims similar to yours, and has a reputation for honesty and integrity. Public adjusters will be your key in collecting fair compensation. Always check to make sure they are licensed, insured, and bonded!

Florida Public Adjusters

Contact a Licensed Property Damage Public Insurance Adjuster

Are we self insuring?

In a story today, we learn that Citizens insurance is on a path to bear half the state's total property risk. Considering that Citizens is the "insurer of last resort," that also means that half is the riskiest half. Why not go whole hog and just insure the whole state? We've taken on the hard part, the rest would be easy. The government is the ultimate backstop in any case, so should we formalize the arrangement?

Pass the KY , please

Thank God for the insurance reform a few months ago.  I just received my premium and it only went up $600 this year instead of the $850 they really wantedYell.  Don't I feel lucky getting the priviledge of paying State Farm $3600 a year now instead of the measley $1950 I was paying back in '05!

 

State Farm Auto Advertisements

 

Subject: Advertising

Re: State Farm Auto Insurance adHow much for a full page ad?It irritates me to no end when I see a full page ad in the TIMES by State Farm Insurance regarding reduced auto rates for Floridians and this is not the first. This company is perhaps the primary reason for our home owner insurance crisis as they have been the largest home owner insurer in Florida. They have been allowed to continuely raise their rates and continuely allowed to cancel home owner policies at will forcing the creation ofstate run Citizens Insurance Co. "Like a good neighbor State Farm is there". Who wants and needs neighbors like this?I realize the TIMES depends on advertising same as any other company but, comon, don't breed hyprocrisy at the same time. We have enough of that in Tallahassee and Washington.

Why aren't we self insuring yet?

Could it be that the ties to Legislature and private ins companies are harder to cut than we thought. It could easily be done. The private ins industry has had thier chance, and every time we give them slack, they stick it to us. Take reinsurance for a great example. Gov Crist needs to wake up and see the BIG picture, and that goes for the Legislature, two fold. Get these Bastards out if they don't want to play fair. No more "Cherry Picking", as to who and where they'll insure. It's time for change, but more importantly, it's time for action. Being as you people were elected to represent us, let's see some representation on our behalf. Go all the way, and make Florida a Citizens ins State.

Socialize Insurance

It makes sense to me. It is time to socialize homeowners insurance. Home insurance is as much a necessity as a fire department or a police department. We don't have private police forces running around bidding on crime prevention, or fire departments fighting for the right to fight the fire, so why do we need house insurance in this chaotic manner. Everyone will pay, and the overheads of competition will be removed and it will be cheaper.

Paul

http://www.FloridaHomeownerInsurances.com
- Florida Homeowners Insurance Crisis

 

Stunning stuff..Kudos for

Stunning stuff..Kudos for sharing this out..

Visitors Health Insurance

Elec Year Status

Elec Year
Status
Date
Title
Serial Number
Sponsor
PDF

2008
Active
02/06/2007
Citizens Insurance shall be re-formed as a mutual ownership private company
07-01

Hurricane Insurance Creation

 

HIC.PAC 
 Citizens (pdf)

2008
Active
06/08/2007
Homestead Exemptions shall be indexed, removed from Flood V Zones and Save our Homes repealed
07-04

Hurricane Insurance Creation

 

HIC.PAC 
Homestead (pdf)

2008
Active
06/08/2007
Hurricane Insurance as a Local Property Taxing Authority at Market Value
07-03

Hurricane Insurance Creation

 

HIC.PAC 
 Hurricane (pdf)

2008
Active
06/11/2007
Referenda Required for Adoption and Amendment of Local Government Budget
07-05

Hurricane Insurance Creation

 

HIC.PAC 
SpendingLimit (pdf)

John Lane Chairman HIC.PAC Hurricane Insurance Creation PAC

My Letter to Gov. Charlie Crist (re insurance)

I do not believe that any of you in Tallahassee have any idea of the level of anger that exists out here. You gave away the store to the Insurance companies. You limited their liability, sold them re-insurance cheaper with the provision that the savings would be passed on to the consumer.

Then you were all busy patting yourselves on the back for the wonderful job you’ve done.

Well guess what? My insurance bill just came and it has a 30% increase attached to it. Should I complain? I don’t dare, because if I anger them they can cancel my insurance. I can buy car insurance for about $150 less than i’m paying, but if I do that I’m sure they would cancel the homeowners. They don’t need any reasons probably thanks to the fact that they finance most of the Tallahassee elections.

Now you are all busy working on property taxes and we are terrified. Does anyone up there wonder why all these houses are for sale and no one is buying them? The foreclosure rate in this state is one of the highest in the country because people can’t take it any more and they are looking to move out of this mess before you make it worse.

I do not expect any answer from you or any of your associates that will address any of these issues, so I’m sending a copy of this letter to the St Petersburg Times in the hope that people will wake up to the only tool we have to control politicians, the vote.

Donald Kennedy, Largo

WIND VERSUS WATER

``Are you kidding me?'' says Senator Trent Lott, a Mississippi Republican, when asked why he's so critical of insurance companies. ``I'm like a woman scorned,'' Lott says. ``I'm prepared to continue to kick their fanny until the last day I'm alive on this Earth because they have mistreated too many people.'' Lott, `Scorned' After Katrina, Targets State Farm, Allstate Water and flood damage is covered by a federal program, while wind and other damage is generally covered by private insurers. Most investigations into the insurers, including a state grand jury investigation by Mississippi Attorney General Jim Hood, have focused on whether property insurers tried to avoid paying for damaged homes and businesses by claiming that water and not wind had caused the destruction. Allstate gets subpoena from U.S. grand jury and Homeland Security on issue of wind versus water. Here is a proposed State hurricane disaster fund at HIC.PAC: Hurricane shall be defined as Wind &/or Flood (FHW) which covers most of the unique disaster in Florida. Hurricane Insurance Creation PAC proposal integrates financial market response through Hurricane bonds as well as insurance market via reinsurance and State run reserve fund strictly for FHW events. The coverage would be in the property tax base and could be used as a voucher by the owner to procure added private market insurance. Hurricane.pdf petition defines wind &/or water ( hurricanes ) to keep Floridians out of Federal court. The petition links wind and / or water, i.e. hurricane insurance, which none of us have, in fact. Citizens.pdf petition creates a mutual policyholder owned Citizens out of the State controlled Citizens. Homestead.pdf petition phases out SOH over 10 years 10% per year , allows full portability , indexes the 25K homestead exemption and removes homestead from V flood zones. V zones are beachfront high wind high flood areas. John Lane Chairman HIC.PAC Hurricane Insurance Creation PAC

SaveOurHomes Inspection

I'm having my house inspected tomorrow, 4/27. I'm on the list for the first 53,000 homes to be inspected. I signed up about 9 months ago. Will post back to tell people of this experience. Supposedly I will get reimbursed up to $5000 for hurricane improvements already installed and he will give me tips on additional stuff. Plus he will certify the protections and I should get "some" discount on my private policy. We shall see.

insurance crisis

private insurance companies have one goal in mind to make money for their shareholders, policyholders will always have to pay the price regardless of hurricanes or what the weather forecasters predict. I propose that the entire state should work together and find a way to self insure, maybe a penny sales tax or something along those lines might be worth cosideration for the peace of mind, of not having the private insurance companies dictating what they feel is fair and appropriate. Their stock prices continue to rise even after a busy hurricane season at the expense of their policyholders!!!

Citizens - Sole Provider of Coverage?

Somewhere in the neighborhood of 30% of Florida homeowners are reported to be unable to obtain commercially underwritten hurricane insurance coverage. That suggests to me the private market is fundamentally flawed. The problem, I think, is that insurance companies are basically risk averse. Their business model depends on the relatively infrequent occurrence of predictable events. And that is not how anyone would characterize the risk of hurricanes in the foreseeable future in our part of the world.

Much like the "house" in Vegas, it seems to me insurers play the percentages and depend on the odds being stacked in their favor to make a profit. Hurricanes (as well, for example, as floods, and earthquakes) present the opportunity for catastrophic -- and mostly unpredictable -- loss. Understandably from the standpoint of commercial insurers, this potential for unpredictable catastrophe demands a very high risk premium.

What most pundits seem to fail to recognize is that the State of Florida has a strong vested interest in making sure hurricane coverage is widely available at the lowest possible sustainable cost. High premium levels, like taxes, drive down property values. And, in the extreme, unaffordable premiums result in no coverage which, when loss occurs, can wipe out property values.

In either instance, diminished market values reduce assessed values for property taxes. This loss to the community's Grand List can result in a downward spiral in total tax revenue as unsustainably high rates of tax become imposed to offset the loss to assessed values. That risk of ever increasing tax revenue loss is one that Florida's government can't afford to take!

In the absence of a viable commercial market, Citizens may need to become sole source of hurricane coverage. That step, coupled with financial incentives to encourage improvements in existing construction and perhaps even a requirement for universal coverage, is likely to be highly controversial. Yet, all of this and more may be necessary to assure the financial integrity of the program by mitigating the potential for loss and assuring the broadest possible spread of risk throughout the state.

the insurance industry is

the insurance industry is all too willing to insure expensive
McMansions on beachfront property, even though the risk perception is
high, simply because the rates are lucrative and profitable.

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Sole provider of What?

Even Citizens, as now constructed, is not a provider of hurricane insurance. Citizens is a general peril property insurance company. It does not provide flood coverage, nor do any other general insurance company. There is a large gap between flood coverage and general insurance coverage. In this gap lies "the hurricane". This gap is well documented in Federal Court.

If the State's priority was to focus on this gap entirely and not provide broad general insurance for property, it would not be in competition with the "private market". However, the State, in my opinion, wrongly defines its role as participant in the general market where it has created a "moral hazard". The moral hazard is no free market solution occurs where the State interferes.

When the Feds reviewed the Flood market in the 50s & 60s, their experts warned them about the “moral hazard” which is why the structure of the flood insurance offered by the US is so different than the way Florida has handled its insurance market. The best approach to “hurricane insurance” will restore free markets in general property insurance by removing the moral hazard of government intervention and focus the role of government on the gap in coverage, the hurricane.

After the San Francisco earthquake the very conservative City, California and the very conservative Nation decided that a very, very small 1-2% tax should be enacted in 1913, in part, as a way to help in disasters around the country. Now we have much higher Federal taxes and San Francisco is viewed as liberal for ever more, starting from a basic concern for life and property in the 1906 disaster. San Francisco was well versed in insurance at the time as a major maritime port, but the natural disaster required more than the response of insurance designed to handle cargo and shipping.

Hurricanes are a State issue for Florida and at best a regional issue for the Southern Coastal States. Yet, all the major state Republican leaders (under Jeb as well as Crist) are calling for National disaster insurance. Is this not what Federal taxes are for or have we forgotten?

Is there a State responsibility and where is it limited? I would suggest the limited response by the State is in the gap, solely focused on hurricane coverage, using the tool of flood coverage provided by the Feds and delivering it to the property owner directly. The property owner as a consumer can then enter the private market for general coverage.

Hurricane.pdf petition defines wind &/or water ( hurricanes ) to keep Floridians out of Federal court. The petition link wind and / or water, i.e. hurricane insurance, which none of us have, in fact.

Citizens.pdf petition creates a mutual policyholder owned Citizens out of the State controlled Citizens.

Homestead.pdf petition phases out SOH over 10 years 10% per year , allows full portability , indexes the 25K homestead exemption and removes homestead from V flood zones. V zones are beachfront high wind high flood areas.

John Lane
Chairman
HIC.PAC
Hurricane Insurance Creation PAC

Sole Provider of What Coverage

If I understand you correctly, we're in agreement. As stated in the original blog:

"In the absence of a viable commercial market, Citizens may need to become sole source of hurricane coverage."

And you're right, that should be broadly defined to include hurricane induced flood so as to avoid the kind of disputes we've witnessed in the wake of Katrina. There ought to be some way to coinsure or reinsure the flood portion of the risk with the federal program.

When I speak of "Citizens" I'm not thinking of it as it is presently constituted. If there is a way to set it up as a quasi-independent mutual company owned by all of the insured property owners, that would be great! What's important I think is that it be the sole provider of broadly mandated coverage in order to prevent "cherry picking" of risks and assure the widest possible risk pool. I Don't, however, envision it as writing anything other than hurricane coverage.

It is writing everthing other than hurricane coverage

Our views are in agreement. I just did not notice where you stated that hurricane coverage must be the only property insurance coverage that the State provide. I agree the widest possible risk pool should be used, which is why I call for all Florida property regardless of ownership (state, public, & private) to be in the risk pool for hurricane coverage.

What the State is writing as coverage through Citizens is for slips & falls and liability from law suits. It is not in the hurricane coverage business.

In Hurricane.pdf petition, the mechanism "to coinsure or reinsure the flood portion of the risk with the federal program" is addressed. Simply the State registers with the Feds as a "WYO" write your own flood provider. Any flood policy written by private insurance currently in the market is written under this "WYO" mechanism to the extent of the federal limits.

The only proposal at present that "is a way to set it up as a quasi-independent mutual company owned by all of the insured property owners, that would be great!" is Citizens.pdf petition.

John Lane
Chairman
HIC.PAC
Hurricane Insurance Creation PAC

Valued policy law & "anti-concurrent causation” lost in Court

NEW ORLEANS — Allstate Insurance Co. must pay a Louisiana man who lost his home to Hurricane Katrina more than $2.8 million in damages and penalties, a federal jury decided today in a case that hinged largely on whether it was wind or storm surge that wiped out his house. The jury found Allstate — which claimed most of the damage was due to storm surge, an event not covered in its policy — did not pay Robert Weiss enough money to cover wind damage to his home. The verdict included a $1.5 million penalty for the company's failure to pay the claim quickly enough. rest at Allstate ordered to pay $2.8 million in Katrina case

Hurricane.pdf petition defines wind &/or water ( hurricanes ) to keep Floridians out of Federal court.

Citizens.pdf petition creates a mutual policyholder owned Citizens out of the State controlled Citizens.

Homestead.pdf petition Phases out SOH over 10 years 10% per year , allows full portability , indexes the 25K homestead exemption and removes homestead from V flood zones. V zones are beachfront high wind high flood areas.

John Lane
Chairman
HIC.PAC
Hurricane Insurance Creation PAC

There should be rules....

The insurance industry is a chokehold monopoly industry that is fraught with corruption and greed. The industry lobby managed to make insurance a legal requirement of everyone who owns a car or a home, unless they have enough money to self-insure.

Two accomplices, the government and the insurance industry are holding up the consumer. There should be several basic rights each consumer should enjoy due to this mandatory requirement.

1. No insurance corporation would be able to offer only a portion of their insurance coverage in Florida. If Nationwide offers car, home, life, renters, condo, and other insurance instruments, they MUST offer ALL of those instruments in Florida in order to operate in Florida, thus eliminating cherry picking insurance coverage.

2. No insurance corporation should be allowed to ask for rate increases without consideration of the corporation's total assets and profit. This means that if Nationwide requests an increase in Florida, the state of Florida should require Nationwide to submit total worldwide assets and profits rather than just the assets and profit made in Florida whether it is a subsidiary or not.

3. Insurance corporations should be required to grant tenure to their long-term customers. This mean that after X amount of time (five or ten years maximum) the customer could not have their insurance coverage cancelled if they have not had a claim in that time. If the customer does have a claim of 50% coverage or more the insurance corporation may reset the clock for tenure, but must insure the customer for the same amount of time the insurance was in force. Therefore if a customer has a claim of 50% of the total coverage or more, three years after the policy begins, the clock for tenure would be reset and the insurance corporation would have to insure the customer for at least three years before cancellation. A single claim of less than 50% of total coverage would NOT affect the tenure clock.

4. Any increase in premiums due to a 50% claim or more would have to be pre-set at a reasonable and fair percentage rate justifiable and approved by the state and be uniform to all customers of the corporation at the time of initial insurance coverage.

5. Multiple claims of 50% or more submitted by a customer before tenure would be reviewed by the state for reasonable profit protection of the insurance corporation and cancellation could be instituted.

6. Natural catastrophes prone to Florida like hurricanes could be calculated into the corporation's overall risk assessment, but MUST be distributed throughout the corporation’s customer base in order to operate in Florida. Therefore a Nationwide customer in Kansas would contribute to Florida's hurricane risk but Florida's Nationwide customers would also contribute to the Kansas tornado risk. (In reality, there is no place that is without catastrophe risk).

7. Florida's insurance of last resort, Citizen's Insurance should be non-profit and it's insurance rates should be fully and completely independent of any other insurance corporation's operational rate and profit schedule and not be subject to any consideration of other insurance instruments or corporations viability.

Wise Merlin

A different POV

Most of the posts on this site call for some form of government action. The discipline of economices should be informative and instructive for those who seek government bailouts at every opportunity.

The following quote is useful in understanding why government interventions and intrusions into areas, like property insurance always fail, as will the current initiatives of the governor and state legislature.

Those advocating government intervention are in reality promoting problems not solving them.

"The War the Government Cannot Win

by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

This talk was delivered at the Wisconsin Forum in Milwaukee on May 1, 2007.

Ludwig von Mises said that the great accomplishment of economists was to draw attention to the extreme limits on the power of government. His point was not merely that government should be limited, but that it is limited by the very structure of reality. It cannot make all people rich by its own initiative. It cannot provide universal housing, literacy, and health. It cannot raise wages across the board. It cannot ban products. (It can not make insurance affordable and available. my addition) Those who seek to accomplish economic ends such as these are choosing the wrong means. That is because there is something more powerful than government: namely economic law.

And what is economic law? It is a force that operates within the structure of all societies everywhere that governs the production and allocation of material resources and time according to strict bounds of what is possible. Some things are just not possible. It just so happens that this includes most of the demands that are made by the public and pressure groups on the government. This was the great discovery of the modern science of economics. This was not known by the ancients. It was not known by the fathers of the early church. It was the discovery of the medieval schoolmen, and the insight was gradually elaborated upon and systematized over the centuries, culminating in the classical and Austrian traditions of thought.

The power of government to do what we desire is strictly limited. Those who do not understand this point do not understand economics. And the economic teaching has a broader implication that concerns the organization of society itself. Government is not free to make and unmake society as it sees fit. It is not a tool we can use to fulfill our private dreams. Society is too complicated, too far reaching, too much a reflection of the free volition of individual actors, for government to be able to accomplish its ends. Most often, what government attempts to do – whether abolish poverty, end liquor consumption, or make all citizens literate and healthy – ends up backfiring and generating the exact opposite."

For all those that argue that the insurance industry is exploitive, I suggest that they band together in voluntary association and fund their own insurance company to write hurricane cover in Florida. If they are so smart, thet will make a bundle. But don't forgat that Citizens and Poe couldn't pay all their claims because they had underpriced risk. I doubt that those seeking government support would really risk their own money, as they know better. Quite simply, they want to externalize costs and risks to some other party.

Harry Teasley

Hot Rocks.

Obviously youve not noticed that insurance companies are dropping Floridians like hot rocks. The state cannot force them to do business here, and many arent. With me so far?

A century ago no one built their home on the shore. My grandfather coulda bought all of Clearwater Beach he wanted, for a song, and passed on the offer. Idiots build homes on the beach. Idiots build hotels and restaurants on the beach. And everyone gets a slice of the responsibility. The slice is now huge.

If we had any sense at all there would be no beach development. And insurance would be affordable.

Hot Rocks

Your premise that the beachfront homes are the cause of the problem with insurance rates in Florida does not hold up. If you investigate the insurance crisis in Florida you would find that many homeowners who are being gouged and cancelled are not anywhere near the beach.

One might find that the insurance industry is all too willing to insure expensive McMansions on beachfront property, even though the risk perception is high, simply because the rates are lucrative and profitable; and the insurance industry decides to cut out less profitable insurance coverage inland. However, that is an insurance industry decision driven by profit motivation rather than logical risk assessment analysis.

Many of these inland policies are being cancelled because of the PROFIT/RISK ratio standards within the insurance industry do not fit the insurance calculations anymore. A person can insure ANYTHING and can find an insurance company to cover it for an agreed upon cost.

Here is the logic of the insurance industry. A beachfront property worth two million dollars and a property worth three hundred thousand dollars 10 miles inland from the beachfront property, both with the same square footage, have virtually the same hurricane risk assessment. The beachfront property would command seven times the premiums of the inland home just due to its value. An even higher premium is realized due to a "perceived" greater risk. A sizeable portion of the two million dollar value is due to location, not due to tangible construction materials. However, the beachfront property is far less likely to incur a payout.

Why? Because the insurance company does NOT take responsibility to pay a claim if there is flood damage or perceived flood damage by the insurance company. (This was painfully obvious after Katrina) It is far LESS likely that the insurance company could claim no responsibility for a payout due to flooding for the inland property.

But because of public perception of high risk, with the encouragement of the insurance industry, much higher insurance premiums can be realized by the insurance company due to the higher perceived value of the beachfront property AND the artificially high risk perception. (A stack of 2 x 4's or roof covering costs exactly the same whether it is transported to the beach or ten miles inland) Therefore the insurance company actually has a much greater PROFIT/RISK ratio for the beachfront property and stands to gain a far greater profit from the beachfront property over time.

Those who build homes, hotels, and restaurants are not idiots. They are smart enough to see the profit potential versus risk potential. The insurance industry merely wants their share of this profit potential.

Mayor, I think you are far to obsessed with your ancestors.

Wise Merlin

Two Erroneous Assumptions In Your Argument.

Merlin.
One, contrary to what you claim, insurance companies do pay claims on beach property, regardless of the flood damage. You cannot disentangle the debris into piles marked 'wind-damage' and 'water damage.' And that's because the property is located in a water environment. It all gets mixed together in the malestrom. Mortgage holders of high value beach property will not accept insurance that's worthless.

Two, most beach property in the path of a storm is destroyed. Most inland property in the path of a storm isnt destroyed or severely damaged. Little of the beach property insurance premium pays for inland damage because all of it is absorbed paying claims on beach property.

Merlin. Hocus-pocus doesnt trump common sense.

Your assumptions are erroneous

First of all, you might want to read above "Valued policy law, i.e. "anti-concurrent causation” lost in Court," post, then go to New Orleans and the other beachfront areas hit by Katrina and talk to all the folks who can prove you are wrong about the "Good Hands" payouts. I would even suggest you research FEMA and related government sites for the demographics of damage done during Katrina. Research the demographics of Andrew's damage.

Secondly, you might want to talk to the people who were inland in those same areas to see if most of those properties survived. On second thought, go to Polk county and ask those people. Punta Gorda might also be a good place to go. Homestead, Miami, Daytona. Hurricanes spawn tornados, straight-line wind shear, squall bands, etc.

Thirdly, why do you think the government offers "Flood Insurance" and insurance companies do not? Name which insurance company you know of who DOES offer flood insurance with their homeowners policies, beachfront or otherwise. I have Met-Life and they DO NOT OFFER flood insurance and I live 1/4 mile from the gulf. My flood insurance is a completely separate policy.

Fourthly, it is entirely possible to live on the beach and NOT get flood damage if, the home is a stilt home and the hurricane hits at low tide. The "no-name" storm flooded many inland homes as well as beachfront property.

Hocus-pocus is making statements without proof or foundation.

Wise Merlin

Wise vs. Mayor

You both have valid arguments. I liked the bantering. People can build anywhere, but I think that once the house or building is gone due to a storm on the beach, they shouldn't be able to rebuild. It shows the vunerability and the expense. And you can't compare 20-30-40+ years ago, because we had a lot less people living here, so the exposure to the insurance companies was ALOT less.

Another issue is the governments involvement in replenishing beaches that were wiped away during storms. This only encourages people to rebuild cause good ole Uncle Sam comes in with it's beach welfare program and spends money. We should allow mother nature to do her thing and not replenish them.

High insurance premiums is a way of life in Florida. Unless we find a way to control the weather, the premiums will only continue to increase.

"anti-concurrent causation” is in your policy "MM"

Mayor,
The Merlin is quite correct.

2005 Florida Insurance Statute Title XXXVII 627.702 Valued policy law.-- is our state of the art entry into Federal court since the insurance industry perceives the new law as limiting their obligations to only a proportionate share of the loss. Next Hurricane, the insurance industry wants to see you in Federal court.

The same Federal court that is overseeing 200,000+ claims by Miss. & LA property owners fighting over wind vs. water; wind and water; and wind or water.

What is "anti-concurrent" causation?

The Enigma of Causation in Insurance Contract Interpretation

Wind vs. Water

Wind vs. Water: Battle Royale over Hurricane Claims

They are all on the HIP.PAC website, plus Hurricane.pdf petition to link wind and / or water, i.e. hurricane insurance, which none of us have, in fact.

John Lane
Chairman
HIC.PAC
http://mysite.verizon.net/resw26w6/

Then Insurance Is Absurd.

Maybe we're speaking of diffeent things, but it seems absurd to have insurance and it not cover anything; like car insurance that doesnt cover collisions with vehicles made of metal or fiberglass.

I understand insurance companies do not want to cover water damage, but how they avoid liability in a water environment escapes my modest ability to understand. It defies logic.

Are we moving toward government self insurance?

And would that be a bad thing? Read here

Limit the State Role to Hurricanes ( Wind &/or Flood Storms)

We have hurricanes in Florida, neutralize the impact of hurricanes and our insurance market should resemble any other state.

HIC.PAC petition hurricane.pdf attempts to neutralize the financial/insurance impact of hurricanes.

HIC.PAC petition citizens.pdf attempts remove the state's role in Citizens by creating a mutual.

John Lane
Chairman
HIC.PAC
http://mysite.verizon.net/resw26w6/

Insurance legislation/Posey’s bill

I could not have been more disappointed in our ability to find bona fide solutions to our state’s insurance crisis than when I read of the proposed storm shutter plan offered in Sen. Bill Posey’s bill. It is incredible to think with all the campaign bravado spread across Florida on this subject, with one special session of the legislature already behind us and with two-thirds of the general session gone by that this is the best a state senator can come up with.

Sen. Posey thinks we need to zero in on “shutterless” coastal residents who probably make up the greater part of the state’s population and in general already pay the highest insurance premiums and the highest taxes in the state. His bill seems to be based on non-authoritative, anecdotal information, and reflects inadequate consideration of the widespread impact, financial and otherwise, it will have on the public.

Perhaps it is time that Florida’s hurricane loss history is shared with the public? I mean in sufficient detail that we might all better understand the whys and wherefores of fixing this problem. It surprises me that we only hear about total losses and loss projections. Knowing real facts, like the number of claims, the mean, mode and medium amount of the claims, the nature of the losses, the incidents and dollar amount of claims geographically, and other statistics might help us all better understand the problem and zero in on the right solutions. Maybe even Sen. Posey.

NORMAN MANSOUR, ANNA MARIA

Peninsula For Sale, Cheap!

This is a satirical but sad look at the situation in just one state. However, it may be applicable to all?

Lovely Peninsula for sale with a yearly mean temperature of 73 degrees, sunshine, water all about and is ideally suited for the rich, wealthy and affluent. The housing costs are very reasonable when you consider all the foreclosures and thousands of mid to low income houses for sale.Put that together with low wages and large populations of low-income families unable to buy a home and you have the perfect environment for just those with financial means.

The market facts are that there are over 5000 homes for sale in my county alone over 40,000 and in adjacent counties. Now wealthy people do not own the majority of homes for sale unless of course they are most likely looking for bigger and better or moving in. No it is the families and elderly who just can’t make it here anymore in paradise unless they get themselves a good box.

Oh sure the insurers and business will be glad to tell you all their woe but in my opinion keep in mind they are not hurting so bad and those Golden Parachutes and exorbitant profits speak to that. Oh sure, they’ll tell you about high risk but in my opinion “that was a long time ago in another place far away”, as the story goes. They have passed all the risk to the average folk.

The other real big plus for the wealthy and especially business is that the laws on this Peninsula definitely favor business and investors and it is a right to work environment that no employer can pass by. Yes, that’s right, low wages, limited to no benefits for workers and you can let someone go without cause or reason any old time you like and Unions a definite curse word and ineffective on this Peninsula.

Some retailers and others are even looking and actually getting away with eliminating their “higher” paid workers with lower paid. You know those high paid $8.00 and hour jobs. Banks seek out the lower income prospects because they generate a lot of fees. You know like check cashing, overdraft, late payments to couple that high risk rate of 29% plus they offer.
Certainly floating money, while a crime for the average person. You know when they debit you but return your funds two or three days or even a week later.

Now as for weather, don’t worry about Hurricanes and insurance woes because if you live near the coast you will most likely be eligible for Hurricane upgrading grants first.

Yes, it is a paradise that is fast becoming, if not already, the playground of only those who can afford and how exciting is that? You see those marginal middle-income families, the low-income retired and of course the poor are all in the process of leaving or at least trying to. Its not that some of them want to, its just that they have to.

However, if your in business you won’t need to worry about cheap labor because there is plenty from south of the border arriving everyday illegally as well as those who can‘t leave and have to take anything they can get.

So if you act fast a piece of this Peninsula can be yours for way lower then what it was just a few short years ago. Just imagine a utopia where only those with money make up the majority.

Oh, and don’t worry about it changing back anytime soon. The leaders had placed all their trust in the free market system to keep things on track and you know what that means?

Oh by the way, the Governor is a good man but you know something that doesn’t matter either because business is business you know. That ought to provide plenty of peace of mind.

Also, don’t worry about those who left, they will be settling somewhere else north of you and they will most likely not be returning, even for vacation. There are enough from other nations being imported by the government and paid for by taxpayers.

So why wait? Go ahead and check it out. It’s as good a deal as any dealmaker can get and you won’t find any better.

robert melaccio sr., spring hill

glitch bill a fix?

From this story on a bill to fix January's special session bill, do you get the feeling the Legislature is listening to the problems of real people, or the complaints of lobbyists?

Da fix is in!

OK Everyone now...one...two...three....BEND OVER!!!! Nuff Said.

Homeowners Insurance

Several weeks ago I read in the St. Petersburg Times that homeowners insurance would be going down an average of 14%. It didn’t seem like much but it was a start. That same day in the mail came the renewal notice from my insurance company. Imagine my surprise when I discovered instead of a decrease I had an 88% increase. On March 12, 2007 I E-mailed Govenor Charlie Crist, with a copy going to my Representative Kevin Ambler, and also to Senator Rhonda Storms asking for help in this matter, and requesting a reply. The only one I heard from was Senator Storms and she wouldn’t help me because I do not live in her district. On March 19, 2007 I sent a follow up E-mail to Govenor Crist and Representative Ambler again asking for their help, but neither one has seen fit to reply.

I hope you print this letter so the people of Florida see how their elected officials care about them. I voted for both of these men but I will not make that mistake again.

Gene Fricke, Tampa

Help me Rhonda ! Help ,help me Rhonda!

Gene, if you wanted Storms to help you, you should have said that your insurance agent is gay or that he went to a strip club. Then she would go out of her way to "help "you. Forget Ambler, he only shows up a few months before the next election season begins.

I sent in a request for quotes thru Citizens just for kicks and giggles. With my State Farm Policy hovering around $3k, I wanted to see if I could knock it down a little. The best one I have seen so far is $2900!!! So much for insurance relief.
Insurance Companies 37- Taxpayers 0 . Looks like a rout!
Can't wait to see how the incompetent boobs in Tallahassee "solve" the Property Tax issue! We'll probably get an income tax, higher sales tax and higher millage rates before they are finished!

Puckhead....Now your talkin..

I think your view of our so called civil servants hits the nail on the head!

Florida Homeowners Insurance Company's Interests Are Safe

Unfortunately bribes (AKA campaign contributions) are regarded as
protected free speech under the first amendment. So an insurance
company is free to give a million dollars to a politician in the same
way that an insurance policyholder is free to give the ten dollars
that they can afford. Hmmm, I wonder whose interests will be looked after?

Maybe it is time to infringe the first amendment in the same way the
second amendment (the right to bear arms) is, i.e. you can own a
shotgun but not a nuclear bomb....but hey, they are both arms aren't they?

Paul
http://www.FloridaHomeownerInsurances.com - Florida Insurance Crisis

Socialiste est caviar, n’est pas?

On a Sunday afternoon in Paris I asked in French for a taxi driver to take me to the post office on Wagram. He turned to me and said in English “is it open?” That started a conversation for the 10 minute ride to Wagram. This taxi driver asked about living in Florida and living in the USA. He made a joke in French by saying “Socialiste est caviar”. I asked, what does that mean, he said socialism is for the rich! Truly, the new motto of Florida should be “Socialiste est caviar.”

As a single homeowner in Treasure Island, I thought I had overcome being house poor. I was wrong. Now I live to pay for property insurance. Since Andrew in 1993, I’ve been tossed out of several JUA’s, Nationwide, QualSure and now I’m lucky to have Citizens.

All of my neighbors were non-renewed in 2006 and were thrown into the Citizens pool. Here’s the best part: in the event of a direct hurricane hit on Pinellas County my neighbors and I will receive a FEMA trailer, some bottled water and if we’re really lucky we’ll get some bug spray and that’s all we’ll ever get. We’re penalized because our homes were built in the 50s, 60s and 70s. No insurance company with a brain will touch what we have so we’re lucky to have Citizens.

Last year I had tickets to France and Croatia for September. The non-renewal notice came in July. I knew what I would owe for the Citizens increase and I knew what an escrow shortage of that amount would do to my house payments. My Doctor wrote a letter to the airline carrier and I was lucky to get a full refund on the Euro flights.

Now instead of planning vacations to Europe I plan on paying my electricity bills, cable bill and for automobile gasoline. I’m thankful to have cable, electricity and a car with gas. What’s next for Florida? Abandoned property waiting for a bank auction? What’s next for the banks? Insolvency?

I work for an insurance company in Treasure Island, so I’m lucky to live and work in TI. Lucky really isn’t the correct word to use now is it? I moved to Florida to live at the beach. It was a life long dream of mine and I am proud to have accomplished that goal. I once told people that I had self actualized as I didn’t know what Maslow meant years ago in college. Now those positive feelings have become fears of dread and what happens next? I have to hold onto the cash I have for potential hurricane loss of wages and the total loss of everything I own. I’ve worked to hard and I’m too old to start over.

All of the articles about the insurance crisis in Florida mentioned Socialism. Now I completely understand what that Parisian taxi driver meant when he said “socialist est caviar”.

Marion Marilla, Treasure Island

What happened to the discounts?

In this article, we learn promised discounts aren't coming. How is that possible? Were the original figures based on any reality, or just political posturing? How can the state fix this problem in a realistic way? What must Florida residents do to force the change they demand?

Better Answer

Starting a Floridian Owned Insurance Co. has two flaws which HIC.PAC corrects.

One, without a constitutional amendment, by law, one cannot have a coop for property insurance.

Two, why raise money when it is already there in Citizens?

Transform Citizens by constitutional amendment into the coop you want as a mutual policyholder owned company at no cost. All you need to do is have 1/4 of Citizens policy holder's file the Citizens.pdf petition amendment, as there are about 2 million policy holders and it requires around 600 thousand voter signatures to be on the ballot. Of course any other group of 600 thousand voters could do the same, but might be less interested in insurance reform. There is no need to raise money only signatures.

This Citizens.pdf forces the coop law and creates the mutual owned insurance entity in one go. And you have to go there: Constitutional Amendment is a requirement for what you envision.

What a mutual owned Citizens or your Floridian Owned Insurance Co. address is the question of what happens to the money if nothing happens. If nothing happens, the money belongs to the policy holders.

I agree with your money saving ideas in general, yet I believe it could be done at a 10-12X salary cap rather than a larger 25X cap.

Another fundamental issue that needs to be resolved: Define Hurricane for insurance purposes. Without a definition even your Floridian Owned Insurance Co. might suffer in the face of a numerous and sever storm season.

If you believe "Hurricane" is defined, ask your self why the 100+ thousand homeowners along the entire coastline of Mississippi are in Federal court. They are fighting over Wind versus Flood or Wind and Flood when what hit was a Hurricane.

Hurricane.pdf defines Hurricane, formalizes the link between Fed Flood ( NFIP ), State Wind ( CAT ), and private insurance through a voucher. The Voucher is owned by the property owner. A private insurance co such as your Floridian Owned Insurance Co. gains reinsurance for each specific property from the State only by agreeing to the terms and conditions of the voucher.

One condition being Hurricane coverage.

John Lane
Chairman
HIC.PAC
http://mysite.verizon.net/resw26w6/

Reply to John Lanes Better Answer

The biggest FLAW is what has allready been done! Is it better to do nothing and pay the price of a stagnent old school politacal rhetoric that DOES NOT WORK?

Does not government raise money, only to make poor agenda driven decisions on how to spend it? By awarding people the right to control how money is made or spent is what America is about...it's called FREEDOM!

We are talking about vision, which must start with a beginning! Or maybe take the aproach of "If you can't beat'em join'em? We are tired of governments, Chairmen, or long winded titles, the action we seek is from ourselves!

www.FloridianOwnedInsurance.com IS NOT about a coop (It's about people supportive logical corporate fundamental policy ideas, which is spelled out on the site and INSPIRED in part by existing people owned corporations), it's about being a real bonified insurance company based on being FLORIDIAN OWNED (Policy Holders/Shareholders)!....**Our main mission is to reach other victimized Floridians that have been sold out by their own so called civil servants and to bring them together in a town hall forum...
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One must FULLY READ our site before making un true or misleading statements to these viewers....

Many self insured small corporations exist throughout Florida (For years many small neighborhoods have formed their own corporations as a self insured solution to control future costs). After all how do you think any insurance company got off the ground?...by just meeting the state criteria needed! I suggest you do more homework. If you are internet savvy you can find all the same information accessible to all that wish to learn true answers for themselves. I challenge you to find any statute that inhibits the formation of a bonified legal Insurance Corporation except for certain state mandates and requirements...In fact the state insurance site spells out what is required to become one.

This subject is not about your site / idea or our site / idea, it's about FLORIDIANS TAKING CHARGE, NOT POLITICIANS or wasting paper on pidgeon toed political initiatives! Again I welcome and challenge you to go to the state statute search site and find any statute against forming an insurance company? According to our research and reading there is nothing of the sort, if you did wish to search about coops there is very little to be found as well.

Second our premise for the future would be to only insure those that a potential floridian owned insurance company can afford too, unlike our overly re-insurance financed industry today....Remember a company must start SMALL before it gets BIG (Rome wasn't built in a day, but it started somewhere, right?). That is the problem with our government today, when they want somthing done they just do it and think later. The rest of the middle class has to plan and save before they can even think about it. We must plan and not rush to judgement. If you did not know, any corporation has the ability to form a contracted policy of choice as allowed by law (many go above and beyond at times). If any money is owned by the policy/shareholders than that is a GREAT thing and CONTROL is given to the PEOPLE that have rightfully paid into it but the control is mandated by company policy and state regulation on just how funds are to be handled....Just like any other business, companies wright their own policies not government (just as each insurance company today can dictate what ever deductible they choose, etc)...

Third, Why be self funded? It's as simple as giving the people the control they deserve (Control is the KEY, not lack of), we allready have been VICTIMIZED by the outcome of what a non governing and insurance abusing industry has done.

America was built on a IDEA of WE THE PEOPLE! NOT you, me or them the political people! The issue to truly be addressed is whether or not People are willing to stand for corporate and political injustice. I do agree many laws need to be addressed, but without real personal public involvement the only thing addressed is an envelope to a wrongly apointed career driven politician, which outway the public minded civil servants.

When you say it can't be done, it can!... only if the people want it! "People said we could never fly and we flew, they said the sound barrier could never be broken and it was surpassed, they said we would never reach space and we've landed on the moon! Never say never! We must remember the true meaning of government is being personally involved as our Constitution implied (meaning make a personal appearance before those we have appointed, sends a bigger message than a letter filed in the trash)

Your comments are well recieved...

Regards!

Damage done by None-Ficticous Companies!

To elaborate again, "You fight a corporate battle by being incorporated, but this time the PEOPLE need to own the corporation!" This is just how the stock market has existed for over a hundred years!

By the way, a Florida Corporation can be formed without an attorney and considerably cheaper....The detailed part is performing the needed due diligence and acquiring the needed funds to become a state recognized insurance corporation....As we said before "If others can do it, so can the victimized Floridians at www.FloridianOwnedInsurance.com!"

The dying middle class of Florida needs to seek out for themselves just what real rights they do have!

Regards

P.S. Pardon my previous typo's

Florida Statute 626.973 Fictitious groups.--

INSURANCE Chapter 626 FIELD REPRESENTATIVES AND OPERATIONS

626.973 Fictitious groups.--

(1) No insurer or any person on behalf of any insurer shall make, offer to make, or permit any preference or distinction in property, marine, casualty, or surety insurance as to form of policy, certificate, premium, rate, benefits, or conditions of insurance, based upon membership, nonmembership, or employment of any person or persons by or in any particular group, association, corporation, or organization, and shall not make the foregoing preference or distinction available in any event based upon any "fictitious grouping" of persons as defined in this code, such "fictitious grouping" being hereby defined and declared to be any grouping by way of membership, nonmembership, license, franchise, employment, contract, agreement, or any other method or means.

(2) The restrictions and limitations of this section do not extend to life insurance, health insurance, and medical malpractice insurance.

(3) The restrictions and limitations of this section do not extend to property or casualty insurance issued in this state, provided that:

(a) The policy requires active participation in a plan of risk management which has established measures and procedures to minimize both the frequency and severity of losses;

(b) The policy passes on the benefits of reduced losses to plan participants;

(c) Rates are actuarially measurable and credible and are sufficiently related to actual and expected loss and expense experience of the group so as to assure that nonmembers of the group are not unfairly discriminated against; and

(d) For any personal lines insurance risk, the group is composed of such members and meets the requirements specified in s. 627.552 for employee groups, s. 627.553 for debtor groups, s. 627.554 for labor union groups, s. 627.555 for trustee groups, s. 627.556 for credit union groups, s. 627.5567 for association groups, and s. 627.654 for labor union and association groups; except that any provision of such sections which precludes individual selection of amounts of insurance shall not be applicable to property or casualty insurance.

John Lane
Chairman
HIC.PAC
http://mysite.verizon.net/resw26w6/

Good Info, But does not apply or pertain to a legal company!

A true state aknowledged insurance corporation IS NOT a fictitious group! Point being, just go to the state site and look up all the brand new, never heard of fledgling insurance companies that have started business within the past year.....A membership is not the same as a state incorporated shareholder as the articles of incorporation document. As we stated before your above argument is un-warranted. But thanks for the input.

Regards

Insurance Coops

This is not the first time I have heard it said that insurance coops are prohibited so perhaps Mr Lane is correct. Is anyone here an attorney? It would be good to resolve this so that we can focus on the big fight.

Paul
http://www.FloridaHomeownerInsurances.com - Florida Homeowner's Insurance Crisis

Paul....It's not about the statute...It's about the FACTS!

Since when do we all need an attorney to read what has been written for the people? A legal insurance corporation is NOT a Fictitious group! Perhaps I should re-word it as a "PEOPLE OWNED LEGAL CORPORATION." This doesn't apply anyway, but hearing of is not the same as fact of. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BEING SELF INSURED!

To let you know as an example, most of what they call Farmers Cooperatives, in definition, are TRUE CORPORATIONS owned by it's shareholders! You may type in any search engine and find a ton of info. on just what they do in relevance to their industry. So lets put aside this pointless confusion. It's about victimized floridians coming together to be self empowering just like the founders of our dictating insurance industry. As I said to Mr. Lane, I challenge you to research all of the different allready formed small communities that have formed their own insurance corporations to have cost control (Just as Farmers throughout America have done)! Guess what?...they are a cooperative group of people acting on a common goal of forming a legal entity! Lets not waste time on what I have used as an inspiring WORD to emphasize "POWER BY THE PEOPLE"!

It has already been stated time and time again, our idea is NOT about a coop membership type club (a gym is a club), if you had fully READ what we are talking about on our site www.FloridianOwnedInsurance.com you would have known that! You must understand that coop is an abreviation for the word COOPERATIVE, (Definition: Done in cooperation with others; a cooperative effort
marked by willingness to cooperate; Of, relating to, or formed as an enterprise or organization jointly owned.

The key here is OWNED. A simple club is a completely different ball game, it only has membership and not OWNERSHIP. And it's not about promoting any particular internet site over un-read personal opinions! This is an example of just why the people are fed up with redirective rhetoric. The real argument is about the political and corporate injustice we victimized FLoridians have been slain too.

In regards to the statute, If I may comment by being an American citizen non-attorney. First of all the statute presents itself to be directed to a FICTICOUS membership only type clubs (the word cooperative is not mentioned), I'm sorry to say a bonified corporation is not a simple club! Thus this statute is non pertaining to a legitmate state recognized corporation that has done what is needed to be recognized by the state itself.

Second you can't come close to being anything unless you do the NEEDED due diligence and requirements to be a state recognized / approved company or insurance company.

Final Thought:
Thirdly, why are so many of us complacently brain washed to believe that only the self proclaimed BIG boys can play ball and that we have no means to play in the game? It's time for the People to take charge of their own future, by reading and being personally involved! "A degree, a title, or a paper castle does not define true logic or intelligence". History has proven that and so has our own civil servants...We must think outside the box to achieve success.
William Leer once said if he had read a book on how to make a radio, he would have never been able to invent a small one to fit in your car. All me and my fellow supportive Floridians ask is for everyone wanting change to have vision that they must be part of it. Only then can a Solution by the PEOPLE for the PEOPLE be attained.

Kind Regards

The political economy of property insurance

Thinking about Property Insurance

Much of the public and political rhetoric regarding property insurance is populist and polemical. Many of the assertions and arguments tend to confuse and obfuscate, rather than illuminate. Until politicians, reporters, pundits and insurance buyers get the basic concepts right and honestly discuss them, the debate will be seriously flawed and sound sustainable policies are unlikely to follow.

The core principle underlying insurance is the contractual transfer of a specific risk(s) from one party to another. This principle relies upon finding a price that the buyer, the insured, is willing to pay to transfer a risk and for which the seller, insurer, is willing to accept and provide cover.

The political redistribution of risks is dramatically different from the contractual transfer of risks through a voluntary agreement. Political interventions, of the kind recently seen in Florida, are collectivist and socialist policies, where costs and benefits are misallocated for political purposes. In contrast, voluntary agreements are a straightforward market transaction, in which both sides of the agreement benefit or neither side would enter into the contract.

Markets work best when there is substantial competition and thus choice of both options and providers. Due to long and historical regulatory interventions, property insurance markets in Florida have always been characterized by too much political intrusion.

If one has followed the public discussion about property insurance, one will have heard, ad nauseam, that insurance is about the spreading of risks, but that is only half the story. Insurance is also about the appropriate pricing of specific risks. Insurers perform this function by creating risk pools with similar characteristics and based on actuarial histories. This second activity of evaluating and pricing risk is as important as the spreading of risk.

Further, the concept of risk-spreading does not relate to nor is it in the purview of the buyer or the state (except for judging solvency); it is a strategy that an insurer employs, so that risks can actually be accepted on a sound business basis. No one needs to inform insurance companies about the spreading risk; they have been doing it in myriad ways for centuries.

We hear the populists argue for:

• a national catastrophe fund;
• or that “cherry picking”, that is, risk selection, should be prohibited;
• or that if insurance companies write auto or other kinds of insurance in Florida they should be forced (coerced) to write property policies as well;
• or that insurance companies should not be allowed to drop policies even if the rates, approved by government, are below their risk tolerance;
• and, conversely, that companies should not be allowed to price, based on their own view of risks;
• or that the state should provide homeowners with property coverage as an entitlement;
• or that the state should offer reinsurance to private companies; at below market prices,
• or that buyers who strike a voluntary contract in the private market should also be taxed to pay surcharges for failures in the governmental market (Citizens or state sponsored reinsurance).

All the regulatory proposals noted above, undermine the principles of risk-based pricing, voluntary contracts, individual liberty, free markets, competition, choice, the appropriate spreading of risks and personal responsibility. The proposals are all coercive and counter to individual freedom and choice. The political promoters of these concepts seek to collectivize risks and socialize costs without regard to the real risks or the rights of others – either buyers or sellers. Further, they often seek to demonize insurance companies as a way to achieve political and popular support.

In essence, the promoters of these proposals are, implicitly arguing that insurance is a right or an entitlement and thus state government should use its police powers to coerce and force compliance under the false god of affordability and availability. The supporters of proposals of this genre are arguing that the risks and costs should be transferred from a responsible party to some non-responsible party. One should remain particularly attentive to the profound philosophical implications and consequences of this debate. Pandering politicians and populist supporters are arguing for the creation of moral hazards through politically contrived and socialized entitlements.

With each new act of God the politicians squeeze further into a social trap from which eventual exit is going to be very painful. I, for one, want no part of this kind of state socialism. I want to be able to enter into a contract to purchase my insurance cover from a willing seller in an open and free market. And, I don’t want to be taxed for the failure of governmental policies and plans that should never have been undertaken in the first place.

We know that the collectivist approaches will fail forcing either or both large increases in rates or tax surcharges on all insurance policies; we simply don’t know when. At the end of the day, choice and competition exercised through voluntary agreements in a much freer market provides the only approach that is responsible, fair and that will generate creative and innovative solutions to the Florida property insurance debacle. We need far less governmental regulation of property insurance – not more.

I praise of individual liberty, strictly limited government, private-property, free markets, individual responsibility, voluntary contracts, competition, choice and self- organizing systems rather than socialized central planning

Way to go Harry!

Very well put! What you point out is what www.FloridianOwnedInsurance.com is all about.

Answer:

Start our own Floridian Owned Insurance Company and completely bypass the self gratifying insurance industry supported politicians.

Please visit www.FloridianOwnedInsurance.com and be part of the growing number of victimized Floridians taking charge of their insurance future!

Regards,
Mr. Green
Fellow Floridian

Insurance Crisis

I'm for boycotting. My Insurance Agent bought a 36 foot boat and a house on the water. He evidently doesn't need my business since he neglected to (automatically) renew my policy at years end. He said he doesn't keep track of customers' policy expiration date. Now, that's confidence that the next "chump" will pay (even) more for insurance through his agency. I'd pay if I thought I'd be duly compensated, but I have no faith in that either.

I'm going to boycott and invest the dollars in preventive maintenance. If the house is destroyed by tornado - I'll move to Brazil and sell the land which is worth more than the structure (according to the County Appraiser), which, btw is included as part of the "replacement value" on your homeowners policy. That is just arrogant. Why is the land considered part of the replacement value? Because they know we are rubes to be extorted - all whine and no action. Thankfully, I'll have no mortgage next year and can afford to play hardball - most can't.

Florida Insurance Agent Arrogance

I had a similar problem where my agent checked the wrong box (bill to insured) and my policy was cancelled because of non payment by the mortgage company. By the time we got it renewed Citizens had thrown another $500 worth of premium on the policy. The agent cried poor when I asked for compensation, even though he had a brand new Mercedes parked outside his office. He gave me $100.

I did document the whole miserable episode at http://floridahomeownerinsurances.com/Florida_Insurance_Broker_Problems.... and found a new purpose in life, fighting the insurance companies.

His office had a lot of problems following up on communication as well, as did another agent I deal with. It seems voice mail and email are things you ignore here. Are there any good agents in St Petersburg?

I don't think that the insurance companies are crooked enough to insure your land though. The replacement value doesn't include that for sure, unless your agent made a mistake. Which is very likely.

Paul
http://www.floridahomeownerinsurances.com

Reducing Insurance Premium

Dear Gov. Crist,

Are all insurance companies reducing our premiums, or just citizens? If yes, when will this take affect? When are property taxes being reduced or eliminated???

After 25 years, I can not afford to live here anymore!

Boca Raton Resident

Ruling: Insurers can drop policies

In this story, Ruling: Insurers can drop policies, we learn that the popular pronouncements of a few weeks ago are succumbing to pressure and insurance companies are being given more leeway. The insurance situation seems a very complex one, but perhaps it is only complex when one must factor in profits for insurers. The trend of late seems to put the risk in the public sector while the reward remains with private companies in order to keep them in the state. Is that trade-off good for Floridians?