Toy Town redevelopment

An old landfill in the Gateway area could become a large development if Pinellas County officials choose one of the bids recently submitted to build on the site. The area is gaining in popularity and a swathe of open land would seem unproductive, but it remains to be seen how and if a landfill can be adequately and safely reclaimed. If it could the jobs and economic progress could be enormous, but so could the liability if hazards remain. Would you live on a landfill? Play sports on one? Shop there or see a ballgame? Maybe you already do these things on land others once considered waste. We've attached all the proposals in one big zip file for your perusal.

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There is no gamble if you keep it public open space

My Proposal is to develop the Toytown Property as a Park. Our Parks and Preserve's are overloaded far beyond capacity and it would be easy and inexpesive to develop this into a park. I believe the BOCC should put it to a referendum vote as to whether the public wanted more open space or more development. Remember, we're supposed to be a democracy. Give the people who sign your paychecks a chance to be involoved in government. Also I don't trust Mel Sembler to calculate the mosquito density in the ditch next to my house never mind the toxicity levels for Arsenic, Mercury, Lead, Chromium and Cadmium in the water table or soils adjacent to the Toytown Site.

Superfund sites NEVER get really "CLEAN" Toytown is SUPERFUND

Lorraine Margeson
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9C06E5D61030F93BA15750C0A9629C8B63
March 28, 2004

Ideas & Trends; Pollution and the Slippery Meaning of 'Clean'

WHEN the outrage over Love Canal was at its height, more than 20 years ago, hundreds of families had to be evacuated from their homes after 21,000 tons of chemicals buried beneath them started oozing into their basements and contaminating their groundwater.

Today, families are once again settled in the same neighborhood in upstate New York, now rechristened Black Creek Village. They live in neat, new ranch houses and federal officials recently announced that they now consider this notorious symbol of industrial pollution clean.

But what does clean mean when the pollutants that rendered Love Canal dangerous to humans remain exactly where they were? In fact, there is no accepted standard, and clean, in practical terms, often means still polluted -- but in a different and less dangerous way.

The Environmental Protection Agency, for example, has deleted 278 sites from the 1,200 on the Superfund national priorities list (the fund itself was created partly in reaction to Love Canal). Each has been defined as clean in a different way, and with few exceptions the offending pollutants were never removed.

What makes the notion of clean so slippery is the relative newness of the idea of decontaminating industrial sites and the unpalatable truth that treating pollution, even rendering it harmless, almost never means getting rid of it. The sin, once committed, cannot be entirely undone, and this is something no one really wants to hear.

Politicians ''can't politically make the jump to telling the public that they have to accept a certain amount of contamination,'' said Michael B. Moore, an environmental consultant from Vermont who is chairman of the Superfund task force of the National Ground Water Association, a professional group with a special interest in cleaning up contaminated sites.

When federal officials put Love Canal on the Superfund list, some residents thought they knew what clean meant.

''We were led to believe that they were going to go in with bulldozers, take 20,000 tons of waste out of Love Canal and clean up the neighborhood so we could live there,'' said Lois Marie Gibbs, whose home had to be demolished because the ground beneath it dripped with chemicals.

Never having undertaken a project like Love Canal, federal officials had no idea how much contamination was buried there until they started testing the soil. They quickly realized that the volume of hazardous waste was enormous, and that removing the rusting and dented chemical drums was riskier than leaving them there.

Then, in a pattern followed at many other sites, the government and the Hooker Chemical Company (now the Occidental Chemical Corporation), capped the chemical swamp with a thick layer of clay, installed pumps and drains to control runoff and ripped up miles of contaminated sewer pipe. The chemicals themselves were left in the ground, surrounded by a cyclone fence.

Jane M. Kenny, the E.P.A. regional administrator, insisted that no standards were lowered in removing Love Canal from the Superfund list. Even though the chemicals haven't been removed, she said, the $400 million cleanup has contained the pollution and reduced the health risks, which is the cleanup standard the agency aims for.

''I know that saying clean makes people crazy,'' she said, ''but in terms of Love Canal, the area is now protective of the environment, the site is contained and we believe that we have eliminated the exposure.''

The chasm between the government's definition of clean and community expectations hasn't narrowed in 20 years.

''If she says Love Canal's cleaned up, that's just a blatant lie,'' said Ms. Gibbs, now executive director of the Center for Health, Environment and Justice, which works with communities facing environmental problems.''

When Congress established the Superfund in 1980, it deliberately refrained from setting a single standard, insisting only that the E.P.A. protect health and the environment in a cost-effective way.

The gold standard was a level of cleanliness where there was only a one in a million chance that there would be more cancer in the area than normal. But that was not a practical goal at many cleanup sites, including Love Canal, where the level of risk of additional cancers is now reckoned at one in 10,000.

The E.P.A. will not certify a site as clean in which the risk of additional cancers exceeds one in 10,000.

The term brownfields is another way of defining clean and saying the politically unspeakable -- that a certain amount of contamination will always be with us. Brownfields are former industrial sites that are cleaned just enough so the remaining risk is compatible with the way the land will be reused. Owners get to define clean one way if they intend to build, say, a parking lot, and another if they plan to build homes.

It is yet another way of saying clean, and still polluted.

Let Commissioners move into test home on the site

Let's let our County Commissioners be the guinea pig for this ill-fated operation. Let them and they're families live on the toxic waste dump for a couple years and I'll believe it's safe for golf and youth sports. We have no idea of the extent of the contamination here and in surrounding areas. It's irresponsible of our BOCC to try selling this for human development when no studies have been done to assess the pollutantants and the level at which they are currently discharged from the landfill.

Let's take it one step further...

Let's have a moratorium, on the BOCC's ability to make any decisions pertaining to real estate in Pinellas County. Why with the Jim Smith black cloud hovering over thier heads, I think it would be out of place for the BOCC to do ANY land deals, until this debacle is cleared up.

It's Your Times Moderator

You need to do two things: Advertise It's Your Times more in your paper and have a suggestion box for It's Your Times online.

RE: Not too happy with ANY PROPOSAL

some big problems in my mind

Blue Heron lake is ST. PETE PROPERTY (included in one of the developer's proposals for "improvement"),  The Lake is ALIVE with wildlife and nesting...............St. Pete environmental planner going out today to survey it!!  Trying to get info from the county side.  There are ponds near PCU Director Pick Talley's Solid Waste facility (28th St. and 118th) that host Black necked-Stilt nesting, I have photo documentation and biologist testimony to prove that...............and..........
I think it is very irresponsible for all elected officials to consider using this site for housing or child care facilities without testing for contaminants. If testing has been performed, I would like to know the results and the specific tests run.  
SEE THIS ARTICLE FROM THE FLORIDA SENTRY POMPANO BEACH about pollutants at Toytown Landfill....
http://www.flsentry.com/JP10122006.htm

In 1986, St. Petersburg began construction of a domed stadium, hoping the $85 million project would lure the White Sox to the Tampa Bay area and specifically to St. Petersburg. This modern sports complex was to be called the Florida Suncoast Dome.
St. Petersburg was in the market for someone with an engineering background and municipal experience who could oversee all of its major projects. C. William Hargett, Jr., had been in Grand Prarie, Texas, for over a year, and he was already looking for greener pastures. With his engineering and municipal background, Hargett seemed to be ideal for the position, or at least among the best that St. Petersburg's headhunters could find. He was hired in May 1987.
Construction had already begun on St. Petersburg's new domed sports facility, but as construction crews began digging, it wasn't long before they discovered a very serious problem.
City officials who approved the Florida Suncoast Dome project didn't know, or didn't remember, that the site for that sports complex had housed a coal gasification plant from 1914 to 1963. It had left the soil laden with cancer-causing chemicals.

When the Florida Department of Environmental Regulations learned of the chemicals, it ordered St. Petersburg to submit a plan for cleaning up the stadium grounds.
The contractor that usually handled the city's hazardous-waste problems submitted a plan with a $617,000 price tag. The city was not happy about that, but in order to get a better idea of what they really needed to spend, the city needed to know how far the pollutants extended.
The city called for bids from chemical testing companies, and received five, included one from Environmental Science and Engineering (ESE). The city's top environmental officer had previously worked for ESE. Of five bids the city received, ESE offered the second lowest price, $62,205. Interestingly, the city's top environmental officer recommended the city accept ESE's second-lowest bid. Conflict of interests?
Hargett's involvement in that process is unclear, but as the deputy city manager for public works projects, Hargett (who had been with the city only three months) told local media that he had checked with the St. Petersburg city attorney, and that it would not be a conflict of interests to award them the contract. So ESE got the contract.

Two tests confirmed the presence of 21 different chemical pollutants.
St. Petersburg expected great things from Hargett with his engineering background, so they tasked him to come up with a plan to remove the pollutants. His plan was to remove the contaminated dirt to the Toytown Landfill, a 250-acre site in Pinellas County adjacent to Tampa Bay. The landfill was a low-lying area that had very poor drainage, and had been used for garbage, and for sludge from St. Petersburg's waste water treatment facilities. It had been closed to garbage disposal a few years earlier, but had been kept open for sludge until shortly before the plan to fix the stadium grounds. Hargett's Plan was to spread out the contaminated dirt (presumably over the sludge in the Toytown Landfill), and allow air and sunshine to neutralize the pollutants.
According to Hargett's plan, 25,000 cubic yards had to be moved. He claimed that figure came from state environmental officials and from a consulting company hired by the city. Armed with Hargett's plan, the city budgeted $2 million and approved a $3.75 million bond issue in 1988 to finance the soil removal (and for some other projects).

If this is a Brownsfield area that has been remediated, I have not heard of it. Even if it was, I question the wisdom in putting housing or child care facilities here.  I have not heard of it. If anyone knows of any testing that has been done, please let me know.  

See page 22 of Form A Appen-A.pdf attached to the blog post.......IRG-BCC Development wants to use Blue Heron Lake which A) is in the City of St. Petersburg, and B) hosts the nesting of Anhinga and is an important wading bird feeding location as well as sparrow habitat for run-off.  NO WAY......I'll be lobbying St. Petersburg right away on that issues alone.

 

Folks, take a look at these proposal seriously..too much density when we CAN'T SUPPLY ENOUGH WATER NOW FOR CURRENT COUNTY NEEDS......and the feeder traffic heading north to reach either ST. PETE-CLEARWATER AIRPORT AND ULTIMATELY MCMULLEN BOOTH, ALREADY HORRIBLE AT COMMUTER TIMES, WILL TURN INTO AN ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE!!

Lorraine Margeson

Living on a landfill is a gamble

There is no doubt that our water supply will be in further jeapordy and our traffic problems increasing if the old Toy Town landfill is sold by the county to developers. However this land to which will be sold is not a stable land being dug and re-dug into. Then the developers will come along and again re-dig for electricty, water, sewer, cable/phone and foundation slabs for their homes/condos and various building. I would like, in writing if I bought a new residence in this potential development, a guarantee that my home is safe from any contaminents and further settling of this landfill ground I live upon from the seller and as well full coverage and understanding from the insurance company that would be so gracious to insure my property.

This is not feasible to the county, insurance companies nor the developers. So let the county make a recreation center it is crying for.

Living on a landfill is a gamble

It is not so much what is buried in the ground of a landfill but the unstableness of the ground itself. This land has been dug and disrupted for years. Digging it up again to accomodate a development such as would be by private developers building homes, condos, stores, ect. could set the settling of this land years away from its present progress causing structual damage to the new development in years to come. The county is trying to destroy Brooker Creek Preserve for recreational facilities they say people need and want. The old Toy Town landfill is there, already theirs and awaiting this solution to a mega recreational complex.

Toy Town for affordable living

Another proposal for the Toy Town landfill! Providing this land is safe from contaminates that would be life threatening or harmful and the stableness of this land is proven safe to build on then why not the county keep it and build an affordable home development?

If our state can go into the insurance business then why not Pinellas County go into the real estate business instead of taking a one-lump-sum of cash from private developers for Toy Town who will make millions not benefiting Pinellas County one iota in the long run. The county could build an affordable home development and rent/lease homes, condos and apartments to residents on fixed incomes and less than average income folks who meet certain and stringent qualifications. The revenue generated from such a development would not only be permanent for Pinellas County but would greatly help supplement the loss of property tax revenue. It would create local jobs in maintaining and managing the development and insurance could be provided by state run Citizens Insurance.

The BOCC was elected with the trust of the people to ensure that the peoples’ best interests were their priority. It is being proven by the recent scandals the proposed demise of pristine lands, sales of property to fellow representatives and a while back the sale of a low income complex to a private developer that this is not so. Here is a chance for the BOCC to make some sort of amends to all their constituents who deserve as much respect and equal representation as they showed Jim Smith. The largest expense of offering affordable housing to less fortunate residents is taken care of by already owning the property. This proposal should also be brought before the people and taxpayers before any decision is made as well as any other decisions made on Toy Town. This BOCC has lost my faith in fair government and the Smith land deal iced the cake. Not one more piece of county property should be sold without the consent of Pinellas County residents. After all, we are the ones that own it and we elect officials to manage it. NOT SELL IT BEHIND OUR BACKS!